PJ: Yeah, it was him, it’s because he is a cancer. So, which one of you was the smoking crab? JH: Well, you obviously have a big heart to have been in this situation like that. I’m an empathetic person, and that is why the first line of the song was, “My empathy is killing me”, because I will find myself in situations to help people, and get hurt. It just felt like the high tide, and low tide. So that is where the imagery of the tides and the water came from, and there was so much back and forth. And he was obsessed with the ocean, he only wanted to be around the water. It was this insane push and pull, and nothing was open so we would just go to the beach, and smoke weed and sit there. His sexuality and frustrations, the way he felt about being, he acted in this way that he would give me so much passion and attention, and the next day, it was nothing. I felt this sense that I could really help him, and we were into each other, and then put the pandemic on top of it all, you have this real hodge-podge of emotions. So, he had some trauma, and some issues with sexuality, things that I have been through as a gay person in the South. And I said, “Well, if LA is locking down, I am not going to see anyone else, do you wanna just keep hanging out?” So I quarantined with a stranger, and when you decide to quarantine with someone you don’t really know, all of your demons and whatever come to the top. Then suddenly two days later, the whole place is shutting down. I don’t smoke weed but he did, and we were having a good time. He was the greatest guy, we stay up all night. At first, when the murmurs were happening, on March 10 th, we go on a date, and we have this beautiful experience, a great night. PJ: That was a song about a guy that I met right as quarantine was starting, and as everyone knows, we didn’t know what this whole pandemic was about to be. And there is the crab toking on the beach, a cartoon crab, but, what was the symbolism of the “high tide, low tide”? JH: So, your song, “High Tide”, the lyrics, “I’m falling for you, losing sleep because of your ghost, too close to let go”. So, remember when I said at Encircle to you, “You are a biracial gay man, wearing a satin shirt and a cowboy hat, playing guitar… Just when I thought I had seen it all.” So there is a lot of depth to your backstory and I said I wanted to talk to you about it one of these days. JH: Yeah, the circles we both run in are pretty small, but everyone speaks very highly of you. Yeah, I have known so many people over the years, and Peppermint, I’ve known her since I was 19. PJ: Yeah Daya, she is like my little sister, she moved in with me just as she turned eighteen, and it was so sad when I moved out in February, we had to say goodbye, but she is doing great, expanding her wings, got a house of her own. I mean, I’m on the phone with Ada Vox she says she knows you, or Peppermint, and then David Hernandez, one time you called in the middle of the call with him. JH: So, I was talking to Daya last week, and I asked her how she got on to the bill at LOVELOUD, and she said, “Well, my roommate Parson James was on the board at LOVELOUD”, and I just laughed, because, well, in this industry, I don’t think there is anyone who does not know you.
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